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So the creation of private militias for the protection of liberty against tyranny is what you’re arguing. To fight the contemporary US Army you’d need weapons far out of Washington’s imagination, you’d need to legalise the sale of jet fighters, attack choppers, tanks, nuclear missiles, aircraft carriers etc. Is that cool with you?
Look at the fighting in Tripoli Libya. Did the rebels own or have access to the weapons they needed to overthrow their dictator? As such did the American “Minutemen” have the same resources as Great Britain and the British Empire? Had it not been for European influence and aid the Colonists may have lost. Who won the war? Private citizenry will never have the resources of their Gov’t(s) although history proves that alliances can change things quickly. Go back and read the last sentence of Washington’s quote above….
The gap in military technology between a well armed US citizen and their nation’s army far outweighs the gap between a n 18th Century Minuteman and a Redcoat. There was no airforce back then for one.
Do you think Libya’s civilians had the right to bear arms? I highly doubt it. Their victory sprang from massive public support and international aid. Why are large amounts of privately owned military weaponry required? Especially considering that any weaponry sanely authorised for civilian usage would barely impact upon a conventional army? Popular support and, as you stated, alliances are most crucial to rebellions, ideas and powerful sponsors trump a proliferation of military hardware.
There weren’t any computers or i-phones during the American Revolution…. only printing presses, yet the 1st Amendment has not been infringed despite technological proliferation. Why would technological advances apply to one constitutional right but not another? As to the Libyans they were ruled by a dictator and a tyrannical government not unlike the original colonies. Unfortunately, they had to rely as you say on “International Aid” to protect themselves. I doubt very much they had the right to bear arms….thanks for making my point! Read history Bud….most governments haven’t done well by their people over the centuries. Long live our 2nd Amendment Right!
I was responding to that pseudo-intellectual flake Great Lakes Socialist.
Ray
Wouldn’t it be lovely if you could conduct a nice little conversation on this matter without having to resort to insults, pejoratives and hollow rhetoric?
Hey MORON!!! WHY do assume that the Air Force would bomb or attack civilians? The Armed Forces CANNOT be legally used within our borders no matter HOW many crappy movies you’ve seen.
Ever hear of the law of Possee Commitatus? It was CREATED over 120 years ago to PREVENT the U.S. military from becoming what it IS in not only Third World countries but in ENGLAND. There is NO law to protect the British Parliament from declaring large segments of the populace in revolt and using EVERYTHING in their arsenal to suppress it.
Then there are THOUSANDS of Oath Keepers. They are local, state and federal law enforcement officers as well as serving members of the military who have taken an oath NOT to obey an illegal such as disarming the public or rounding up civilians. The founders, several hundred, met on the most sacred soil in N. America, Lexington Green, and swore an unbreakable oah. Moreove they spent 10 years recruiting in the military and law enforcement many thousands of members.
There is NO way for anyone to know how many are in any unit or any element of the command structure. If some tin pot would-be dictator TRIED to claim a “Constitutional crisis” and institute nationwide martial (itself unconstitutional) the Oath Keepers would be throwing monkey wrenches into his plans from the get-go. They can honeslty declare that they have not violated their oath of allegiance since the essence of THEIR oath is to preserve the INTEGRITY of their oath to the Constitution. Go frak yourself you poser.
Ray from Bloombergia
NRA Life Member
Soli Deo Gloria!!!
Good on those honest gents. But assuming that the interests of the military will always be that of the populace at large, and presuming that everyone in the military are paradigms of virtue is naive at best. Also once you’ve got an armed militia fighting against them, the military wouldn’t be fighting civilians any more.
PS as to Posse Commitatus.
“Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain “law and order”; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.”
So you’re advocating the free sale of any weapon available? Also I don’t see how what I said about Libya advocated your position…
No you idiot!! Did you know that there are over 35,000 legally owned and licensed full auto weapons in the U.S.? There are. NONE have ever been used in a crime either. Many states are what we call Class III states meaning they allow the sale and transfer of full auto rifles with SELECT FIRE (the ONLY true “assault rifles”), BELT FED machine guns (THAT is what a REAL machine gun IS) and even multiple barrel electrically driven GATLING GUNS!!!
When I went up to CT to get my deer rifle which was with the dealer to have the scope mounted he showed me his gun room which was in a steel-reinforced poured concrete room with a heavy 2′ thick vault door. He had TWO .30 caliber mini-guns (seen in Predator), four hand cranked Gatlings including one in .22LR that you can AFFORD to shoot. He had a cabinet of suppressors (silencers) also legal, He had a 3 inch towed field piece and a half dozen Browning Automatic rifles along with a Ma Deuce (.50 caliber belt fed Browning machine gun) and a .30 caliber light machine gun.
He also has a dozen REAL AK-47s (select fire) and REAL M-16s (also select fire). When you pants wetting losers THINK you see an AK-47 or M-16 you are really seeing the SEMI-automatic CIVILIAN copy. This is NOT a military weapon you sack of guano. NO army equips is forces with AKM-47 (semi auto) rifles or AR-15 (semi-auto) rifles and God help us if we ever have to arm our guys with them!!
The whole “assault” rifle kerfuffle was PLANNED in the aftermath of the Stockton shooting because the murderer used a SEMI-auto AKM-47. The mechanical function of a so-called “assault riflle” is IDENTICAL to that of a Browning Auto-5 shotgun which was first offered in 1905 for hunters. The Remington 742/7400 is one of the most popular hunting rifles ever made but under some of the laws proposed would become a “weapon of war”. The Ruger 10-22 is a .22 rimfire semit-auto and banned in NY City as an assault rifle!! IDIOTS write the laws and then bureaucrats take gun catalogs and ban gun based on how “scary” they look.
I watched an ep of Geraldo in 1989 soon after Stockon. On the table were some odd parts. Also there was a 10-22 rifle. While some nutcase was verbally flatulating over “evil assault rifles” the gun guy took out a screwdriver and set to work. He removed the polished walnut stock of the Ruger and added a black plastic Cycolac stock with a collapsible buttstock and vented forearm. He then inserted a 50 round aftermarket magazine and said “Behold! The evil assault rifle.” The audience laughed the Brady Campaign guy out of the studio.
Ray from Bloombergia
Cool story bro. What’s your point?
Duhhh…..they had to rely on as you say “International Aid” because they don’t have a 2nd Amendment or constitution that guarantees them the “Right” to keep and Bear Arms.
Since you like spouting off at da mouth and exercising your 1st Amendment Right while Infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights…..why don’t you Move your sorry self to a foreign Muslim country and try doing the same and see how far ya get Bud?? Go Ahead and Make my Day!!
Codswallop my dear man. My point is that the arms they eventually obtained that won them the war (armoured vehicles, heavy guns, katyushas and so forth) are not legal for civilian ownership in the US or any sane nation. Having US style laws allowing the keeping of weapons like assault rifles and the like wouldn’t have made any practical difference. So once again, I go to my main point.
Either you have laws that allow the purchase of weapons on par with those of the modern military (an idea tantamount to lunacy), or there’s no way a militia could take on a modern military by itself.
How am I infringing any of your rights? I’m simply conducting a rational civilised conversation on certain points you’ve made. Also, why would I want to move a “foreign Muslim country”?
Your wrong….there are US citizens that own machine guns and canons as you would call “heavy guns”. Additionally there are many instances in the course of human history where smaller , less equipped forces have defeated better armed and trained forces….again your assumptions are wrong. Additionally, you make the false pretense that anyone serving in the military would choose to fight against their neighbors or relatives. Loyalties can and do change quickly when bullets start flying and harming those you know. Essentially a large military force can and will quickly become ineffective if the will to fight is diminished. Tanks, planes or whatever are useless if you don’t have the Will to Fight.
As to you going to a Muslim Country you would very quickly realize just how good you have it here in the US. Or since you call yourself the “Great Lakes Socialist” maybe you should try Communist China or Iran.
Socialist & Communist countries don’t have a very good track record of appreciating open thought and speech. But maybe they would appreciate your insights……don’t forget your gun!
I agree. The will to fight and large scale popular support is most important in a revolution. More important than guns. And forces in the military do often side with revolutionaries. The best way to overthrow a government is via a “velvet revolution” ie. overwhelming peaceful civilian protest, like that which brought about the collapse of the Soviet bloc. Private militias simply aren’t needed in a situation where a hostile population is united against a tyrant. Without a tyrant they can become subverted.
Firstly I’m not from the US. Secondly Communist China is hardly communist. It’s a corporatist dictatorship. Go to the Shanghai CBD and see how many Western advertisement hoardings you can find. And Iran? Are you serious? It’s a fundamentalist theocracy.